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 Post subject: CNC Killer 22 W
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:18 am 
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CNC Killer 22 W

A consecutive/non-consecutive killer with windoku.

Entries in the killer cages must not be consecutive.

Entries in the twin killer cages are a remban group - they must be consecutive but can be in any order.

This is quite a hard one (23 is easier).


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JS Killer Code:
3x3:2:k:9:3845:10:11:12:13:14:15:16:17:3845:18:4354:19:20:4870:4870:4870:21:3845:22:4354:23:24:25:26:27:28:29:30:4354:31:3076:3076:3076:32:33:34:35:36:37:38:39:40:41:42:4097:4097:4097:43:2819:44:45:46:47:48:49:50:51:2819:52:4360:53:2311:2311:2311:54:55:2819:56:4360:57:58:59:60:61:62:63:64:4360:65:

JS Remban Code (paste as twin killer):
3x3:d:k:7:1:1:8:9:2:2:10:11:12:13:1:1:14:15:2:2:16:17:18:19:20:21:22:23:24:25:26:27:28:29:30:5:31:32:33:3:3:34:35:36:5:37:38:6:3:39:40:41:42:5:43:6:6:44:45:46:47:48:5:49:6:50:51:4:52:53:54:55:56:57:58:59:4:4:4:60:61:62:63:64:


Solution:
569487321
387512469
412369758
246953187
753128946
891674235
624891573
135746892
978235614


CNC Killer 23 W

Easier

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JS NCKiller Code:
3x3:2:k:8:9:4100:10:11:12:13:14:15:16:17:4100:18:19:20:21:3589:22:23:24:4100:25:26:27:3589:3589:28:29:2307:30:31:32:2817:2817:2817:33:34:2307:35:36:37:38:39:40:41:42:2307:43:44:45:3842:3842:3842:46:47:48:49:50:3591:3591:3591:51:52:53:54:55:3334:3334:3334:56:57:58:59:60:61:62:63:64:65:66:67:

JS Remban Code (paste as twin killer):
3x3:2:k:1:10:11:7:7:5:4:4:4:1:12:13:7:14:5:15:16:6:1:17:18:19:20:5:21:22:6:23:24:25:8:26:27:28:29:6:30:31:8:8:32:33:34:35:36:37:38:39:40:41:42:43:44:45:46:47:48:49:50:51:52:9:3:53:54:55:56:57:58:59:9:3:2:2:2:60:61:62:9:63:3:

Solution:
389214675
426375981
571986243
654893712
817642359
932751864
198427536
765139428
243568197


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 Post subject: Re: CNC Killer 22 W
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:02 pm 
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Cool! Another variation :) Thanks HATMAN.

Here is my walkthrough for #22. As usual - I have labelled the Windoku visible and hidden groups based on the nonet in which their centre cell is located. So the visible ones are W1, W3, W7, and W9. The hidden ones are H2, H4, H5, H6, H8.

I have labelled the cages requiring consecutive numbers as V<Nonet>. I.e., V1, V3, V4, V6, V7, V9.

I found moves had to be made all the way through. No single big breakthrough which opened it all up.
Corrections & Clarifications courtesy of Andrew
Hidden Text:
1. 9/3r8c1 = {135}
-> V7 = {78(6|9)}
-> r7c123 = {24(9|6))

16/3@r6c2 from {169} {259} {268} (Cannot be {358} since at least one of (35) already in W7.)

-> 7 in W7 in r78c4.
Since r8c6 cannot be a 1, 3, or 7 -> 11/3@r6c6 = {146}


2. 19/3@r2c7 is either {379} or {469}
-> n3 is either {456} {379} {128} or {123} {469} {578}

V6 must contain at least one of (46)
-> 12/3@r4c6 cannot be {246}
-> 12/3@r4c6 either {138} or {147} with 1 in r4c78.
-> 6 in W3 must be in n3 in r23c78
-> n3 = {123} {469} {578} - with 6 in r2c78.
-> since 12/3@r4c6 contains a 7 or an 8 -> r3c9 = 7 or 8.


3. 17/3@r7c8 cannot be {368} - No solution for V9
17/3@r7c8 cannot be {359} - Would put V9 = {678} contradicts r3c9 = 7 or 8
-> 17/3@r7c8 either {179} or {269}
-> V9 must contain a 4
-> 19/3@r2c7 = [{46}9]
-> 12/3@r4c6 = {138} with 1 in r4c78
-> r3c789 = [{57}8]
-> r23c6 = [29]


4. V9 cannot contain a 1
-> 1 in n9 in r9c78
-> r1c9 = 1 and r1c78 = {23}
Also 3 in W9 somewhere in c78
-> 12/3@r4c6 = [3{18}]
-> NS 5 in c6 -> r9c6 = 5


5. Given 8 in r4c78 -> V6 must contain a 4 - only place is r5c8.
-> r2c78 = [46]
-> 17/3@r7c8 = [{79}1]
-> r4c78 = [18]
-> 8 in W9 in r78c7
Also r3c78 = [75]
Given 1 in r4c7 -> V6 must contain a 5 - in r56c9
-> HS 5 in W9 -> r7c7 = 5
-> r8c7 = 8
-> in W9: r6c78 = {23}

V6 only contains one of (23) -> Must be 3
-> r6c78 = [23] and r1c78 = [32]
-> r56c9 = {56}
-> HS 6 in n9 -> r9c7 = 6
-> V9 = {234}
-> r4c9 = 7
-> r5c7 = 9


6. Also V7 = {789}
-> r7c123 = {246}
-> r7c9 = 3
Also r7c6 = 1


7. Also 16/3@r6c2 must be {169}
-> r7c123 = [6{24}]
Also 9/3@r8c1 = [1{35}]
Also HS 8 in W7 -> r7c4 = 8
-> r8c4 = 7
-> r78c8 = [79]
-> r7c5 = 9
Also 11/3@r6c6 = [416]


8. 17/3@r2c4 cannot contain a 7 or an 8, or both (29)
-> 17/3@r2c4 = [539]
-> HS 3 in r2 -> r2c1 = 3
-> V1 = {234} or {345}
-> 15/3 @r1c2 cannot contain a 3 or a 4 or both (59) (since they are in 17/3@r2c4) or both (25) (since one of them is in V1)
-> 15/3@r1c2 = [681] or [816]
But whatever goes in r1c2 (6 or 8) must go in W1 in r4c3. Cannot be an 8.
-> 15/3@r1c2 = [681]
-> r1c3 = 9
-> r2c3 = 7
-> HS 5 in n1 -> r1c1 = 5
-> r3c13 = [42]
-> r4c23 = [46]
-> r5c12 = [75] (V4)
Also 16/3@r6c2 = [916]
-> r159c4 = [412]
Also V7 = [978]
etc.


Last edited by wellbeback on Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:49 am, edited 1 time in total.

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 Post subject: Re: CNC Killer 22 W
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:12 pm 
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Thanks HATMAN for another interesting variation. :)

I tried the easier one first.

Here is my walkthrough for CNC Killer 23W:
This is a Windoku twin killer. Combinations in cages with totals must use non-consecutive numbers, while those in cages without totals must use consecutive numbers (not necessarily in order).

The four windows are numbered W1, W2, W3 and W4; the hidden windows will give their cells, for example hidden window R159C159.

1. 9(3) cage at R4C2 = {135} (only combination containing non-consecutive numbers), locked for C2 and N4

2. 11(3) cage at R4C6 = {137/146} (only combinations containing non-consecutive numbers), no 2,5,8,9 1 locked for R4 and W2
2a. 14(3) cage at R2C8 = {248/257} (only remaining combinations containing non-consecutive numbers), no 3,6,9, 2 locked for W2
2b. Killer pair 4,7 in 14(3) cage and 11(3) cage), locked for W2
2c. 45 rule on W2 3 innies R2C67 + R3C6 = 20 = {569} (only remaining combination containing non-consecutive numbers), locked for W2
2d. 11(3) cage at R4C6 = {137} (only remaining combination), locked for R4 and W2 -> R4C2 = 5, placed for W1
2e. Naked triple {248} in 14(3) cage, locked for N3

3. Non-total cage at R1C7 = {567} (only remaining combination of consecutive numbers), locked for R1 and N3 -> R2C7 = 9, placed for W2
3a. Naked pair {56} in R23C6, locked for C6 and N2
3b. Non-total cage at R1C6 = {456} (only remaining combination of consecutive numbers) -> R1C6 = 4, placed for hidden window R159C678
3c. Naked pair {13} in R23C9, locked for C9 and hidden window R234C159
3d. Non-total cage at R2C9 = {123} (only remaining combination of consecutive numbers) -> R4C9 = 2, placed for hidden window R234C159
3e. 5 in N1 only in R23C1, locked for C1

4. 16(3) cage at R1C3 = {169/268} (only remaining combinations containing non-consecutive numbers), no 3,4,7, 6 locked for C3, N1 and W1
4a. 5 in N1 only in R23C1 -> non-total cage at R1C1 = {345} -> R1C1 = 3, placed for hidden window R159C159, R23C1 = {45}, locked for C1, N1 and hidden window R234C159
4b. 1 in N1 only in 16(3) cage = {169}, locked for C3 and N1
4c. Naked triple {278} in R123C2, locked for C2, 7 also locked for W1
4d. Naked triple {469} in R789C2, locked for N7
4e. 7 in N2 only in R23C5, locked for C5

5. 3 in N2 only in R23C4, locked for C4
5a. Non-total cage at R4C4 = {678/789} (only remaining combinations with consecutive numbers, cannot be {456/567} because 5,6 only in R5C4), no 1,2,4,5, 7 locked for R5 and hidden window R159C234
5b. R4C3 = 4 (hidden single in W1)

6. Non-total cage at R1C4 = {123} (only remaining combinations with consecutive numbers) -> R2C4 = 3, R1C45 = {12}, locked for R2 and N2, R1C23 = [89], both placed for hidden window R159C234, R23C9 = [13], R23C3 = [61], R23C6 = [56], R23C1 = [45]
6a. R5C3 = 7, R5C4 = 6, placed for hidden window R159C234, R4C4 = 8 (step 5a), R3C4 = 9, R4C15 = [69]
6b. Naked pair {78} in R23C5, locked for C5

7. R9C2 = 4 -> non-total cage at R9C1 = {234} -> R9C1 = 2, R9C3 = 3
7a. Naked pair {58} in R78C3, locked for C3, N7 and W3 -> R6C3 = 2, placed for W3
7b. Naked triple {147} in R678C4, locked for C4 and W3 -> R1C45 = [21], R9C45 = [56], R56C2 = [13]

8. R5C6 = 2 (hidden single in hidden window R159C678)
8a. Naked pair {45} in R56C5, locked for C5 and N5
8b. Naked pair {17} in R6C46, locked for R6 and N5 -> R4C6 = 3

9. 15(3) cage at R6C6 = {159/168} -> R6C6 = 1, placed for W4
9a. Killer pair 8,9 in R6C1 and 15(3) cage, locked for R6
9b. 4 in N6 only in R56C9, locked for C9

10. 14(3) cage at R7C5 = {248/257} -> R7C5 = 2, R7C67 = [75/84]
10a. Killer pair 5,8 in R7C3 and R7C67, locked for R7

11. R7C8 = 3 (hidden single in R7) -> non-total cage at R7C8 = {123} (cannot be {234/345} because no 4,5 in R9C7) -> R8C8 = 2, R9C7 = 1

12. R8C3 = 3 -> 13(3) cage at R8C4 = {139} (only remaining combination) -> R8C4 = 1, R8C6 = 9, placed for W4
12a. R67C4 = [74], R7C7 = 5, placed for W4, R78C1 = [17], R78C2 = [96], R78C3 = [85], R7C6 = 7

[And finally, since I haven’t used it yet …]
13. R7C9 = 6, R8C9 = 8 -> non-total cage at R7C9 = {678} -> R9C9 = 7

and the rest is naked singles.

Rating Comment:
I'll rate my walkthrough for CNC 23W at Easy 1.5. The steps were fairly easy; I made frequent use of the hidden windows, hence the rating.

Now to try the harder one, which wellbeback has already solved.


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 Post subject: Re: CNC Killer 22 W
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:34 am 
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I made things harder for myself than I ought to have done. I had to re-work after I'd reached a non-unique position and, on checking HATMAN's diagram, I found that I hadn't included the non-total cage R56C89 on my worksheet. :oops: Then I realised that adding that cage could just add the final step to my walkthrough, so I didn't make an effort to use it earlier, which wellbeback did neatly in his step 2, part 2.

Here is my walkthrough for CNC Killer 22W:
This is a Windoku twin killer. Combinations in cages with totals must use non-consecutive numbers, while those in cages without totals must use consecutive numbers (not necessarily in order).

The four windows are numbered W1, W2, W3 and W4; the hidden windows will give their cells, for example hidden window R159C159.

1. 9(3) cage at R8C1 = {135} (only combination containing non-consecutive numbers), locked for R8 and N7
1a. Non-total cage at R9C1 = {678/789}, 7,8 locked for R9 and N7
1b. 2,4 in N7 only in R7C123, locked for R7

2. 11(3) cage at R6C6 = {137/146} (only combinations containing non-consecutive numbers), no 2,5,8,9, 1 locked for C6 and W4
2a. 7 of {137} must be in R8C6 -> no 7 in R67C6

3. 19(3) cage at R2C7 = {379/469}, no 1,2,5,8, 9 locked for R2 and N3
3a. Non-total cage at R1C7 = {123/456} (cannot be {234/345/567/678} which clash with 19(3) cage), no 7,8
3b. Killer triple 3,4,6 in non-total cage and 19(3) cage, locked for N3
3c. 8 in N3 only in R3C789, locked for R3

4. 12(3) cage at R4C6 = {138/147/246}, no 5,9

5. 17(3) cage at R7C8 = {179/269/359} (cannot be {368} which doesn’t allow three consecutive candidates in non-total cage at R7C9), no 4,8, 9 locked for C8 and N9
5a. Non-total cage at R7C9 cannot be {123/567} which clash with 17(3) cage -> no 1 in R79C9
5b. 1 in N9 only in R9C78, locked for R9 and hidden window R159C678
5c. Non-total cage at R1C7 (step 3a) = {123/456}
5d. 1 of {123} must be in R1C9 -> no 2,3 in R1C9

6. 15(3) cage at R1C2 = {159/168/249} (cannot be {258/357} which don’t allow three consecutive candidates in non-total cage at R1C1), no 3,7
6a. Non-total cage at R1C1 cannot be {123/456/789} which clash with 15(3) cage -> no 1,9 in R123C1

7. 16(3) cage at R6C2 = {169/259/268} (cannot be {358} which clashes with 9(3) cage at R8C2, ALS block), no 3,4,7
7a. 7 in W4 only in R78C4, locked for C4 and N8
7b. 11(3) cage at R6C6 (step 2) = {146} (only remaining combination), locked for C6 and W4

8. 17(3) cage at R7C8 (step 5) = {179/269/359}
8a. 6 of {269} must be in R9C8 -> no 2 in R9C8
8b. 1,6 of {179/269} must be in R9C8, 9 of {359} must be in R8C8 -> no 9 in R9C8
8c. 17(3) cage = {179/269/359}, 9 locked for W4

9. 12(3) cage at R4C6 (step 4) = {138/147/246}
9a. 2,7 of {147/246} must be in R4C6 -> no 2,7 in R4C78

10. 17(3) cage at R2C4 = {269/359/368}, no 1,4

11. 17(3) cage at R7C8 (step 5) = {179/269/359}, non-total cage at R7C9 (step 5a) = {234/345/456/678}
11a. Hidden killer pair 1,4 in 17(3) cage at R7C8, non-total cage at R7C9 and R9C7 for N9, R9C7 cannot contain both of 1,4 -> 17(3) cage and non-total cage must contain at least one of 1,4 -> 17(3) cage = {179} and/or non-total cage = {234/345/456} -> 17(3) cage = {179/269} (cannot be {359} which clashes with {234/345/456}, locking-out cages), no 3,5
11b. Non-total cage = {234/345/456} (cannot be {678} which clashes with 17(3) cage), no 7,8, 4 locked for C9 and N9
11c. 7 in N9 only in R78C78, locked for W4
11d. 8 in N9 only in R78C7, locked for C7 and W4

12. 16(3) cage at R6C2 (step 7) = {169/268} (cannot be {259} which clashes with R6C78, ALS block), no 5, 6 locked for R6 and W3
12a. Killer pair 2,9 in 16(3) cage and R7C23, locked for W3
12b. Hidden killer pair 2,9 in 16(3) cage and R7C23 for W3 -> R7C23 = {24/49}, 4 locked for R7 and W3
12c. 6 in C6 only in R78C6, locked for N8

13. 4 in C4 only in R159C4, locked for hidden window R159C234

14. Non-total cage at R7C9 (step 11b) = {234/345/456}
14a. Hidden killer pair 1,6 in non-total cage and R9C78 for N9, non-total cage = {456}, R9C8 = {16} and/or R9C7 = {16} -> R9C78 = {16} or non-total cage = {456} -> no 5 in R9C7 (locking-out cages)

15. 15(3) cage at R1C2 (step 6) = {159/168} (cannot be {249} which clashes with R7C2), no 2,4, 1 locked for C2 and N1
15a. Non-total cage at R1C1 (step 6a) = {234/345/678} (cannot be {567} which clashes with 15(3) cage)
15b. Consider combinations for R7C23 (step 12b) = {24/49}
R7C23 = {24} => R7C1 = {69} => non-total cage = {234/345} (cannot be {678} which clashes with R79C1, ALS block)
or R7C23 = {49} => R9C1 = {678} => non-total cage = {234/345} (cannot be {678} which clashes with R9C1)
-> Non-total cage = {234/345}, 3,4 locked for C1 and N1
15c. 7 in N1 only in R123C3, locked for C3
15d. 3 in R8 only in R8C23, locked for W3

16. 4 in W1 only in R4C23, locked for R4
16a. 12(3) cage at R4C6 (step 4) = {138} (only remaining combination), locked for R4 and W2, 1 also locked for N6
16b. R3C9 = 8 (hidden single in R3)
16c. 3 in N4 only in R5C23, locked for R5

17. 4,6 in W2 only in 19(3) cage at R2C7 = {469}, locked for R2 and N3
17a. 1,3 in N3 only in non-total cage at R1C7 = {123} (only remaining combination) -> R1C9 = 1, placed for hidden window R159C159, R1C78 = {23}, locked for R1, N3 and hidden window R159C678
17b. Naked pair {57} in R3C78, locked for R3 and W2 -> R2C6 = 2, R3C6 = 9, placed for W2, R9C6 = 5
17c. R2C9 = 9 (hidden single in R2), placed for R234C159
17d. R5C7 = 9 (hidden single in N6)

18. R4C6 = 3 (hidden single in C6), R4C78 = [18]
18a. R9C8 = 1 (hidden single in R9) -> R78C8 = 16 = {79}, locked for C8 and N9 -> R3C78 = [75]

19. Non-total cage at R7C9 (step 11b) = {234/345} (cannot be {456} which clashes with R9C7), no 6, 3,4 locked for C9 and N9 -> R9C7 = 6, R2C78 = [46], R5C8 = 4
19a. Naked triple {789} in R9C123, locked for R9 and N7
19b. Naked pair {24} in R7C23 and W3 -> R7C1 = 6, R7C6 = 1, R68C6 = [46]
19c. Naked pair {78} in R78C4, locked for C4, N8 and W3
19d. Naked triple {169} in 16(3) cage at R6C2, locked for R6

20. 3 in W1 only in 17(3) cage at R2C4 (step 10) = {359} (only remaining combination) -> R3C4 = 3, R2C4 = 5, placed for W1, R4C4 = 9, R2C1 = 3

21. R9C1 = 9 (hidden single in C1), R9C23= [78], both placed for hidden window R159C234, R2C3 = 7

22. 15(3) cage at R1C2 (step 15) = {168} (only remaining combination, cannot be {159} because 5,9 only in R1C2) -> R1C2 = 6, R23C2 = [81], R3C3 = 2, R13C1 = [54], R1C3 = 9, R7C23 = [24], R4C23 = [46]

23. Non-total cage at R4C2 = {4567} (only remaining combination) -> R5C12 = [75]

[At this stage I couldn’t make further progress so checked HATMAN’s diagram and realised that I’d missed that there was a non-total cage at R5C8, so …]

24. Non-total cage at R5C8 = {3456} (only remaining combination, cannot be {2345} which clashes with R6C7, cannot be cannot be {4567} because 5,7 only in R6C9) -> R5C9 = 6, R6C89 = [35]

and the rest is naked singles.

Rating Comment:
I'll rate my walkthrough for CNC 22W at 1.5. It's quite a lot harder than CNC 23W, but it's not harder than a 1.5 killer.


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