AndrewWe haven't had a "tag" solution for some time. Ed has suggested to me that we should start one for A126 V2 with me posting the starting steps, then he will add some more and then others are welcome to join in with further moves. As puzzle creator, Afmob's comments and suggestions will be very welcome after we've finished or if we get stuck.
Here are my starting steps
This is a Killer-X. If I manage to fix any cells on the diagonals I'll add "locked for D/" or "locked for D\". Even though this isn't necessary, I hope that others taking part in this "tag" will also do this. It makes it easier for those of us who do our own manual eliminations.
Prelims
a) 20(3) cage in N1 = {389/479/569/578}, no 1,2
b) 11(3) cage at R3C1 = {128/137/146/236/245}, no 9
c) 11(3) cage at R3C7 = {128/137/146/236/245}, no 9
d) R456C5 = {289/379/469/478/568}, no 1
e) R5C789 = {489/579/678}, no 1,2,3
1. 45 rule on C6789 2 outies R37C5 = 9 = {18/27/36/45}, no 9
2. 45 rule on C789 2 innies R46C7 = 7 = {16/25/34}, no 7,8,9
3. 45 rule on N3 2 outies R4C89 = 7 = {16/25/34}, no 7,8,9
4. 45 rule on N9 2 outies R6C89 = 10 = {19/28/37/46}, no 5
5. 45 rule on N1 2 outies R2C4 + R4C1 = 12 = [48/57/66/75/84/93], no 1,2,3 in R2C4, no 1,2 in R4C1
5a. 45 rule on N1 1 outie R2C4 = 2 innies R3C12 + 1
5b. Max R3C12 = 8, no 8
6. 45 rule on N7 2 outies R6C1 + R8C4 = 12 = {39/48/57}/[66], no 1,2
6a. 45 rule on N7 1 outie R8C4 = 2 innies R7C12 -> max R7C12 = 9, no 9
7. 45 rule on N2 2 innies R23C4 = 12 = [48/57/75/84/93], no 6, no 1,2,9 in R3C4, clean-up: no 6 in R4C1 (step 5)
8. 45 rule on N8 2 innies R78C4 = 12 = {39/48/57}, no 6, no 1,2 in R7C4, clean-up: no 6 in R6C1 (step 6)
9. 45 rule on C1234 2 innies R19C4 = 12 = {39/48/57}, no 1,2,6
10. Hidden triple {126} in R456C4, locked for N5 and 30(7) cage at R3C4
10a. R456C5 = {379/489}, no 5, 7 locked for C5 and N5, clean-up: no 2 in R37C5 (step 1)
10b. R456C6 = {359/458}, 5 locked for C6 and 24(5) cage at R4C6, clean-up: no 2 in R46C7 (step 2)
10c. R46C7 = {16} (cannot be {34} which clashes with R456C6), locked for C7 and N6, clean-up: no 4,9 in R6C89 (step 4)
10d. R5C789 = {489/579}, 9 locked for R5
10e. 11(3) cage at R3C7 = {128/137/236/245} (cannot be {146} because 1,6 only in R3C8)
10f. 1,6 of {128/137/236} must be in R3C8 -> no 3,7,8 in R3C8
10g. Max R4C9 = 5 -> min R2C89 + R3C9 = 19, no 1
11. 30(7) cage at R3C4 = {1234569}, no 7,8, clean-up: no 4,5 in R2C4 (step 7), no 7,8 in R4C1 (step 5), no 4,5 in R8C4 (step 8), no 7,8 in R6C1 (step 6)
11a. Naked quad {3459} in R46C13, locked for N4
11b. 11(3) cage at R3C1 = {137/146/236/245}
11c. 3 of {137/236} must be in R4C1 -> no 3 in R3C12
12. 3 in R5 locked in R5C56, locked for N5
12a. Hidden killer pair 4,5 in R5C56 and R5C789 for R5 -> R5C56 must contain one of 4,5 -> R5C56 = {345}
12b. R456C5 (step 10a) = {379/489}
12c. R5C5 = {34} -> no 4 in R46C5
13. 2 in C5 locked in R1289C5
13a. 45 rule on C1234 4 outies R1289C5 = 17 = {1259/1268/2456} (cannot be {2348} which clashes with R5C5), no 3
13b. R12C5 cannot be {49/58} which clash with R1289C5 -> no 3 in R1C4, clean-up: no 9 in R9C4 (step 9)
13c. 16(3) cage in N2 cannot be [448] -> no 4 in R1C4, clean-up: no 8 in R9C4 (step 9)
14. 18(3) cage at R6C8 = {189/279/369/378/468/567} (cannot be {459} because R6C8 only contains 2,3,7,8)
14a. 6 of {468/567} only in R7C8 -> no 4,5 in R7C8
15. 45 rule on N12 1 outie R4C1 = 1 innie R3C4
15a. 45 rule on N78 1 outie R6C1 = 1 innie R7C4
I've also got the following un-numbered steps which can be included later when they become useful. Currently they don't provide any eliminations.
Hidden killer pair 1,2 in 26(5) at R1C3 and 11(3) cage at R3C1 for N1 -> 26(5) cage at R1C3 must contain one of 1,2 = {13589/13679/14579/14678/23489/23579/23678/24569/24578} (cannot be {12689/34568}
17(4) cage in N2 = {1259/1268/1349/1367/1457/2348/2357/2456} (cannot be {1358} which clashes with R23C4)
20(4) cage in N8 = {1289/1379/1469/1478/1568/2369/2468/2567} (cannot be {2378/2459/3458/3467} which clash with R78C4)
EdThanks for getting us started Andrew. Actually, you found rather a lot compared to my miserly extras. I have no problem if this one hangs around for a good while since I'm not planning a V2 for the next Assassin and solving time is scarce.
I'd rather we don't get into hypotheticals. Let it sit if needs.
16. "45" r1234: r3c4 + 7 = r4c189
16a. ->r4c189 = 10, 11, 12
16b. from candidates (2345) which sum to 14 =>from subtraction must have 5
16c. 5 locked for r4
17. r456c6 = h17(3) = {359/458}: 9 in {359} must be in r4c6 -> no 9 r6c6
18. CPE on 9 in 30(7)n2 -> no 9 in r7c3
Should be here (select, copy and paste into A126 V2 in
SudokuSolver or
Jsudoku)
Code:
.-------------------------------.-------------------------------.-------------------------------.
| 3456789 3456789 123456789 | 5789 1245689 12346789 | 2345789 123456789 123456789 |
| 3456789 123456789 123456789 | 789 1245689 12346789 | 2345789 23456789 23456789 |
| 124567 124567 123456789 | 345 134568 12346789 | 234578 12456 23456789 |
:-------------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------:
| 345 12678 349 | 126 789 489 | 16 2345 2345 |
| 12678 12678 12678 | 126 34 345 | 45789 45789 45789 |
| 3459 12678 3459 | 126 789 458 | 16 2378 2378 |
:-------------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------:
| 12345678 12345678 12345678 | 3459 134568 12346789 | 2345789 1236789 123456789 |
| 123456789 123456789 123456789 | 3789 1245689 12346789 | 2345789 123456789 123456789 |
| 123456789 123456789 123456789 | 3457 1245689 12346789 | 2345789 123456789 123456789 |
'-------------------------------.-------------------------------.-------------------------------'
GlynNot much time to participate but this one leapt out. Only possible if Uniqueness is assumed. Available if desperate
30(5) cage must contain {126} in r456c4. To avoid UR(16)r46c47 must have either 1 or 6 in r5c4 => r5c4<>2.
2's of row 5 locked in box 4 => r46c2<>2.
NOTE I'll thank Para here for pointing out that Uniqueness cannot be applied here due to the diagonals.
ParaYou can't use that UR as R46C4 are placed on the diagonals.
Here's a placement.
19. 3 in N6 is either R4C89 = {34} or R6C89 = {37}
19a. 19(3) @ R4C5 = [937] + R4C3 blocks both options
19b. 19(3) @ R4C5 = [847] + R4C36 blocks both options
19c. 19(3) @ R4C5 combination [937/847] blocked: 19(3)= [739/748] -> R4C5 = 7
[edit]
Here's some more and 3 more placements (if i didn't make any mistakes)
20. 5 in N6 is either R4C89 = {25} or R5C789 = {579}
20a. h17(3) @ R4C6 = [854] + R4C247 blocks both options
20b. h17(3) @ R4C6 = [935/845/458] -> R6C6: no 4
20c. 4 in R6 locked for N4 -> R4C13: no 4
20d. Clean up: R2C4: no 8 -> R3C4: no 4
20e. 4 in C4 locked for N8
20f. CPE: 4 in 30(7) @ R3C4 -> R7C3: no 4
20g. Clean up: R3C5: no 5
21. 16(3) @ R1C4 = [9]{16}/[8]{26}/[7]{18/45}:
{259} blocked by R23C4{5|9} -> R1C4: no 5; R12C5: no 9
21a. Clean up: R9C4: no 7
22. 13(3) @ R8C5 = [3]{28}/[4]{18}/[5]{26}:
[3]{19} blocked by 16{3} @ R1C4(with R19C4 = 12) -> R89C5: no 5,9
22a. R6C5 = 9(hidden single); R5C5 = 3, R4C3 = 9 (hidden single)
22b. Naked triple {458} in R456C6 -> locked for C6
22b. Clean up: R8C4: no 3(3 locked for D/ and D\), R37C5: no 6
23. 11(3) @ R3C1 = {17/26}[3]/{24}[5]: R3C12: no 5
24. 17(4) @ R1C6 = [8]{126}/[4]{139}: {1367} blocked by R23C4
, {2348} blocked because 4,8 only in R3C5: no 7; 1 locked in R123C6 for C6 and N2
24a. 7 in N2 locked for C4; CPE: R1C3: no 7
24b. Clean up: R7C5: no 8; R6C1: no 5; R7C4: no 5
24d. CPE on 5 in 30(7) @ R3C4: R3C3: no 5
24c. Of course then 20(4) @ R7C5 = [1]{379}/[5]{267}
25. 16(3) @ R1C4 = [8]{26}/[7]{45}: no 9
25a. Clean up: R9C4: no 3
25b. 3 in C4 locked for 30(7) @ R3C4
25c. 3 in N4 locked for C1
Moves not necessary with later post by me
26. Killer Quad {3458} in R6C13689 -> R6C2: no 8
27. Hidden killer pair {45} in R4C1689 -> R4C16 needs exactly one of {45}: R4C16 = [58/34]
27a. R3C45 = [54/38]: other combos blocked by N2
27b. R3C4 = R4C1
(I/O difference N12) -> distant naked pair R3C5 + R4C6 {48} -> R3C7: no 4,8
(over D/)Code:
.-------------------------------.-------------------------------.-------------------------------.
| 456789 3456789 1234568 | 78 2456 12369 | 2345789 123456789 12456789 |
| 456789 12456789 12345678 | 79 2456 12369 | 2345789 2456789 23456789 |
| 12467 12467 124678 | 35 48 12369 | 257 12456 23456789 |
:-------------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------:
| 35 1268 9 | 126 7 48 | 16 2345 2345 |
| 12678 12678 12678 | 126 3 45 | 45789 45789 45789 |
| 34 1267 45 | 126 9 58 | 16 2378 2378 |
:-------------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------:
| 1245678 12345678 125678 | 34 15 23679 | 245789 1236789 123456789 |
| 12456789 12456789 12345678 | 89 1268 23679 | 2345789 12456789 123456789 |
| 12456789 123456789 12345678 | 45 1268 23679 | 2345789 123456789 12456789 |
'-------------------------------.-------------------------------.-------------------------------'
AndrewIt's good to see that we now several participants in this "tag". Hopefully we'll get more as it progresses.
I like the way that Ed used the subtraction combo in step 16b. It's something I've seen in WTs by nd and udosuk. I must learn to look out for it since in a case like this it's simpler and clearer than a string of combinations.
An alternative way to do step 16 is
R4C1 = {345}, if R4C1 = {34} => R4C89 = {25} -> 5 locked in R4C189 for R5
I suppose that's technically a chain but it's very easy to see; I ought to have seen it earlier before I posted the starting steps.
I've edited my starting steps slightly, moving the original step 15 to step 10g so that I could add innies-outies for N12 and for N78. I think one of those has already been used in Para's step 27b.
Para's combination and permutation analysis has started to get us into the difficult part of the puzzle. Great stuff! I've sent Para a message off-forum with a few suggestions for simplication and clarification.
Andrew (further post)I've continued using techniques similar to some of Para’s moves for the next few steps
28. 11(3) cage at R3C7 = {137/245} (cannot be {146} (eliminated in step 10e), cannot be {236} which clashes with 11(3) at R3C1 = {24}5), no 6
28a. {245} cannot be [254] => R4C89 = [43] => R3C7 clashes with 11(3) at R3C1 = {24}5
28b. {245} cannot be [524]=> R4C89 = [43] => R3C8 clashes with 11{3} at R3C1 = {24}5
28c. -> 11(3) cage at R3C7 = [245/542/713], no 2,5 in R3C8, no 4 in R4C8, clean-up: no 3 in R4C9
29. R7C45 = [35/41] other permutations blocked by combos in N8
29a. R6C1 = R7C4 -> 12(3) cage at R6C1 cannot be 3{45} which clashes with R7C45
29b. {345} in 12(3) cage at R6C1 can only be [453]
29b. -> no 4 in R7C1, no 4,5 in R7C2
30. Hidden killer pair 3,8 in 20(3) cage and 26(5) cage at R1C3 for N1 ->
either 20(3) cage must be {389}
or 26(5) cage at R1C3 must contain
both of 3,8
30a. From the un-numbered starting steps 26(5) cage at R1C3 must contain one of 1,2
30b. 26(5) cage at R1C3 = {13589/14579/23489/23678/24569}
30c. 9 of {14579} must be in R2C4 (because {1459} clashes with 20(3) cage), 7,9 of all other combinations must be in R2C4 -> no 9 in R2C2
[When I checked through the "tag" walkthrough later I realised that the first part of my step 30 is flawed because I hadn't properly considered that the 20(3) cage might be {578} and the 26(5) cage {13679} with 7 in R2C4.
On looking further I found a short chain which seems to sort things out
20(3) cage = {578} => 26(5) cage = {13679} (only combination which doesn’t clash with {578}) with R2C4 = 7 => R1C4 = 8, R3C12 = {24} => R3C45 = [38] (step 27a) clashes with R1C4
Can now continue as if the basic assumption in step 30 was correct and the combinations in step 30b are correct.
In fact the above chain can simplify things further because it eliminates {578} from 20(3) cage which must therefore contain 9, locked for N1.]
And now some more placements
31. 26(5) cage at R1C3 = {13589/14579/23489/24569} (cannot be {23678} => R2C4 = 7 => R4C1 = 5 => R4C12 = {24} clashes with 26(5) cage) -> no 7 in R2C4
31a. R2C4 = 9, R8C4 = 8, R1C4 = 7, clean-up: R3C4 = 3, R4C1 = 3, R6C13 = [45], R79C4 = [45], R7C5 = 1, R3C5 = 8, R456C6 = [458], 4 locked for D/, 8 locked for D\, no 7 in R5C789
31b. Naked pair {25} in R4C89, locked for R4 and N6
31b. Naked pair {37} in R6C89, locked for R6
31c. Naked triple {489} in R5C789, locked for R5
31d. Naked pair {26} in R89C5, locked for C5 and N8
31e. R4C2 = 8 (hidden single in R4)
After this it's straightforward steps
32. 11(3) cage at R3C7 (step 28c) = [245/542] -> R3C8 = 4, R3C7 = {25}
32a. Naked quad {1267} in R3C1236 -> R3C79 = [59], 5 locked for D/, R4C8 = 2, R4C9 = 5
33. R34C9 = [95] = 14 -> R2C89 = 10 = [73/82]
33a. 1 in N3 locked in R1C89, locked for R1
34. R6C1 = 4 -> R7C12 = [26/53/62], no 7,8
35. R9C1 = 8 (hidden single in N7), locked for D/ -> R2C89 = [73], 7 locked for D/, R6C89 = [37]
35a. R8C1 + R9C2 = 9 = [27/54/63/72], no 1,9, no 6 in R9C2
35b. Naked pair {28} in R12C7, locked for C7 and N3
35c. Naked pair {16} in R1C89 -> R1C6 = 2, R12C7 = [82]
36. R1C1 = 9 (hidden single in C1), locked for D\, R7C7 = 7, locked for D\
36a. R1C2 + R2C1 = 11 = [56], R23C6 = [16], R12C5 = [45], R1C3 = 3, R2C23 = [48], 4 locked for D\, R3C3 = 2 (step 31), locked for D\, R7C3 = 6, locked for D/, R1C9 = 1, locked for D/, R6C4 = 2, locked for D/, R9C9 = 6, locked for D\, R4C4 = 1, locked for D\
37. R6C1 = 4 -> R7C12 = 8 = [53]
and the rest is naked singles.
Many thanks Afmob for a challenging variant!
It's hard to rate a puzzle like this when it has been solved as a "tag". At least 1.75 but possibly not 2.0, assuming that the rating of A74 Brick Wall is correct, so I'll go for Hard 1.75.
EdAndrew wrote:
I've continued using techniques similar to some of Para’s moves for the next few steps...At least 1.75
I really appreciate you saying this Andrew. I choose not to use those techniques since they go 3 ways (or use more than 2 elements eg multiple permutations, cage block, multiple nonets, multiple cages) to get contradictions...unless, of course, there is no other way. I'd personally give those sort of techniques a
2.0 rating...so very happy with Andrew's ratings summation. Thanks!
Is there another way Afmob?
AfmobGreat tag walkthrough! Especially Para's step 20 is easier than my method of eliminating 4 from R6C6. I used a forcing chain on 21(3) @ N6 to get the same result.
Here is an alternative for step 19 albeit I don't know whether it's easier:
19. 1,6 in R6 locked in R6C247
19a. 1,6 locked in Innies R6789 = 35(6+1) @ R6 -> Two numbers already set -> R6C4 + Four of R6C23456 = 28(4+1)
19b. 28(4+1) = 3+{4579} / 4+59{28/37} / 5+49{28/37} / 9+45{28/37} since other combos blocked by step 15a (or by Killer pairs of Outies N9)
19c. 28(4+1): R6C5 <> 7 since 7 must be @ R6C2 because R6C46 = (16) leaves R6C2 = (78)
(19d. R6C2 <> 8 because (126) only possible @ R6C247 [this could replace step 26])
After step 25 I took a different way which I think is easier than steps 30 and 31 since it uses no chains:
26. Innies+Outies R12: 13 = R3C29+R4C9 - R12C6: R12C6 <> 9 since R4C9 <= 5
26a. 17(4) @ N2: R3C6 <> 3 since 9 only possible there
26b. Outies R12 = 30(4+1): R3C9 <> 2,3 because R4C9 <= 5 and R3C356 <= 21 since R3C56 @ 17(4) <= 14 and R3C356 cannot be [886]
26c. Hidden Single: R3C4 = 3 @ R3
26d. R7C4 = 4, R6C3 = 5, R6C6 = 8, R4C1 = 3, R6C1 = 4
26e. Outie N1 = R2C4 = 9
26f. R8C4 = 8, R1C4 = 7, R9C4 = 5, R7C5 = 1, R4C6 = 4, R5C6 = 5
27. 16(3) @ N2 = {457} -> 4,5 locked for C5
27a. R3C5 = 8
27b. Naked pair (25) locked in R4C89 for R4+N6
27c. 11(3) @ N3 = {245} since R4C8 = (25) -> R3C8 = 4
27d. Hidden Single: R3C9 = 9 @ R3, R3C7 = 5 @ R3
27e. R4C8 = 2, R4C9 = 5
28. 12(3) @ N7 = 4[26/53/62], no 7,8 and R7C2 <> 5
28a. 28(5) @ N7 = 189{37/46} because 36{29/47} blocked by Killer pair (36) of 12(3) -> R8C2 = 9; 1 locked for C3+N7; R89C3 <> 6,7
28b. Killer pair (36) locked in 12(3) + 28(5) for N7
28c. 17(3) @ N7 = 8{27/45} -> 8 locked for R9
29. 19(4) @ N9 = 6{139/247} because {1279} blocked by R7C7 = (279) -> 6 locked for R9+N
29a. R9C5 = 2, R8C5 = 6
29b. Hidden Single: R1C1 = 9 @ N1, R8C8 = 5 @ D\
29c. 18(4) @ N9 = 25{38/47} because R6C9 = (37) -> 2 locked for C9+N9 and R78C9 <> 3,7
29d. R7C7 = 7, R6C8 = 3, R7C8 = 8 (cage sum)
29e. R7C3 = 6, R2C8 = 7, R2C9 = 3 (cage sum)
30. 17(4) @ N3 = {1268} -> R1C8 = 6, R1C9 = 1, {28} locked for C7
31. Rest is singles without considering diagonals.
I think the most difficult steps were step 19 and 20 and I'm wondering about their rating. I think they are not that complicated though probably not easy to find, so I would rate them (Hard) 1.5 but if the majority think they are tougher then this Killer is likely of rating 1.75. But at least in my opinion it's nowhere near a 2.0 Killer.
ParaI can't believe i didn't see this before. I was 1 step away from finishing this puzzle, namely step 27. A few more smple steps to make it to all singles after that. I started it from after step 25, because those old moves 26/27 were really not necessary
26. Innies N12: R2C124 = 11 = {17/26}[3]/{24}[5]
27a. {45} in N2 either in 16(3) @ R1C4 or R3C45
27b. R3C45 blocked by innnies N12 -> 16(3) @ R1C4 = [7]{45} -> R1C4 = 7, R12C5 = {45} -> locked for N2 and C5
27c. R2C45 = [93], R37C5 = [81], R9C4 = 5, R78C4 = [48], R6C3 = 5, R46C1 = [34], R456C6 = [458], R4C2 = 8(hidden), R3C9 = 9(hidden)
27d. 8 in N7 locked for C1
28. 11(3) @ R3C7 = {2[4]5} (only possible combinatinon) -> R3C8 = 4, R3C7 = {25}
28a. R3C7 = 5(hidden), R4C89 = [25], R8C8 = 5(hidden)
29. 5 in N1 locked within 20(3) @ R1C1 -> 20(3) = {569}: locked for N1
29a. R3C12 = {17}(last combo) -> locked for R3 and N1
29b. R3C36 = [26], R2C2 = 4, R12C5 = [45], R2C1 = 6, R1C12 = [95], R7c7 = 7, R6C89 = [37], R7C3 = 6
30. R7C8 = 8(last value in cage)
30a. R25C8 = [79]
30b. R7C12 = [53](last combo in cage)
30c. R8C9= 4(last value in cage)
And the rest is all naked singles.
Think this was the quickest and easiest way to the end.