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 Post subject: Sudoku ninja
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:30 pm 
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Somebody knows how to solve this? and give here the solution


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 Post subject: Re: Sudoku ninja
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:41 pm 
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Ooooh, that looks fun! I haven't seen that shape of gattai before. Where did you find it?

This one seems pretty easy. I think I'll try it without pencil marks first.


UPDATE: Here is the puzzle code:

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6....35.43..6.4.2.84.12.......4.18..4..5.72..1...9.........6.......5.......71....
.6.514....5..7.........9...1.......56.8....4..9..38......2...................5...
......43.....65..........7.7...58..4.........8.923...5..............2......946...
.5..1.......9.....8..4.....1.2...4..5...8....67..3.19...85.....7...4.....2..6....
..............3...............7..6...3...49.8.....6.4.....8........4.........9...
...1..5.....5.........2...41...7.8..96.8....7..5.439.1....6.758...7..2.3....52...
..............3......6.......6..9...48..1.9..9.153...412........4..2.......8.....
.....6......7..........5...39.4.......6..3...5..6.8.......3...8......37.......15.
...65........2.......7......5.8.6.9...6..4.....7..9.36.349...2.7..3.2.5.5......69


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 Post subject: Re: Sudoku ninja
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:16 pm 
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and what? you solved?


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 Post subject: Re: Sudoku ninja
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:13 am 
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Polaris32 wrote:
and what? you solved?

No, I'm still working on it. As I said, I'm trying it without pencil marks first. So far I've gotten about 20 cells. It's not going very fast (and I won't have uninterrupted time to work on it until later this evening). I'm not accustomed to solving multi-grid puzzles all at once (instead of grid by grid). If I get stumped, I already have it printed out with pencil marks.

I found that puzzle in the arcade here:

http://jeux.kevicar.com/

How did you manage to capture the puzzle image? I tried a screen shot, but couldn't get the whole puzzle at once.


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 Post subject: Re: Sudoku ninja
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:08 am 
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I've just coded that Ninja structure into SudokuSolver and loaded your definition. Unfortunately, it runs into an error after a couple of hundred steps with an invalid placement in the centre grid.

I'll double check it back to the captured image just to make sure there isn't a mis-transcribed digit in there somewhere.

EDIT: there is a transcription error in the puzzle string you posted. R4C6 in the top grid should be a 6, not an 8. I've run it through SudokuSolver and it only gets part way through without having to resort to 1 trial and error step. Either the puzzle doesn't have a unique solution, or else SudokuSolver doesn't have enough techniques to solve it.

Here's a PDF of how far it got http://www.rcbroughton.co.uk/sudoku/NinjaProgress.pdf

and a PDF of the solution http://www.rcbroughton.co.uk/sudoku/NinjaSolution.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: Sudoku complicated
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:55 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Sudoku ninja
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:46 am 
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it was easy? ok it is more difficult
solve this


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 Post subject: Re: Sudoku ninja
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:07 pm 
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Hi

SudokuSolver didn't need a trial and error step for that second one - all simple techniques

PDF of the solution http://www.rcbroughton.co.uk/sudoku/Ninja2Solution.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: Sudoku ninja
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:14 pm 
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how do you do? what? what software?


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 Post subject: Re: Sudoku ninja
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:07 pm 
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My own software.

You can get the version here: http://www.rcbroughton.co.uk/sudoku/SudokuSolver.msi which I have just updated with the Ninja pattern.

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Richard

EDIT:

and these are the definition strings for the two Ninja puzzles

Code:
6....35.43..6.4.2.84.12.......4.16..4..5.72..1...9.........6.......5.......71....
.6.514....5..7.........9...1.......56.8....4..9..38......2...................5...
......43.....65..........7.7...58..4.........8.923...5..............2......946...
.5..1.......9.....8..4.....1.2...4..5...8....67..3.19...85.....7...4.....2..6....
..............3...............7..6...3...49.8.....6.4.....8........4.........9...
...1..5.....5.........2...41...7.8..96.8....7..5.439.1....6.758...7..2.3....52...
..............3......6.......6..9...48..1.9..9.153...412........4..2.......8.....
.....6......7..........5...39.4.......6..3...5..6.8.......3...8......37.......15.
...65........2.......7......5.8.6.9...6..4.....7..9.36.349...2.7..3.2.5.5......69


Code:
17.....3..6.....9...8.52..7...4.7..9...38.....36..1...............2........934...
8..2......6.4.......1..........35.4...5...1...2.69..................4........9...
...86..................2..3..25....4...4815....1.....9...61.......9.8.......7....
..7.2....2.1..6......5.....13...4.....4.12.65.7.8...24.1...8........7...963.4....
............4.8.......2.....2.7..5..8.......4..3..6.9.....1.......8.5............
...8.4..6......35........9...3.4712.6..1.8....4..9..6....4..9.5...5.2.3....9..4..
...5.1.......87.......9.....8..6492.36.91....92..........1.8....3.......7....5...
...8.7......5.........9....18.9.3...7.....42..3..46.........541...6..9.8.....8.7.
....42........3........6....5..6....82..5..9371.....841....7.3..9.8.41.2.8..1....


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